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SkyHiRider · Feb 08, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

yes i agree. i have 9 pve chars and i really dont want to spend 900k for the gems. He should be easy accessable but they shouldnt change the quest.

cyberjanet · Mar 07, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by HzzB

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Actually, DoA is an after-game elite area.

Yep, and n00bs are highly unwelcome. The fact that you've finished all three campaigns and just got to DoA doesn't matter. You're still n00b and therefore not welcome. And therefore it's virtually impossible to get Razah.

I'd like a Ritualist hero. I think Ritualists are very powerful, certainly the ones I've played with are.

If I had time for another character... yet, it would be Tsi Lau Tira.

Ferret · Mar 07, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

To be honest, if they got rid of the gem requirement for Razah, or had another option (like 'x' amount of 'x' that can be gathered in the regular campaign), then it'd be totally reasonable to get him.

I just dont have the time to commit for such a long mission as DoA, so i eventually purchased a set of gems for 100k. After that, i went and got him. It was a hard fight, but not stupidly so, and half an hour later i had him.

If they changed the requirements to get to him to be 4 gems or, for example, 250 margonite masks, i'd not have a problem with the fact i had to spend the 100k. I'd just be gald i may be able to get him a few more times with some of my other characters.

Then DoA can stay the elitist place it is for those that want to farm gems for coffers and armbands.

That's my 2 cents,

Ferret

TabascoSauce · Mar 07, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

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Razah is the new UW spider. Nice to have but not necessary, we need at least one challange in the game. Everything doesnt have to be easy or quick in this game.

Oh Noes! If it was as easy in PvE as it is in PvP, then that's the end of the game! Cats and Dogs together! Ruins the game! Sky falling!

Whoa dude, isn't your argument something to the effect of "it is not a real thing, so it is no big deal if you do not get it" and "it is not necessary"? If those are true, then what do you care if we do get it?

Oh I have an idea, make it 600,000 faction for PvP acquisition! Then see if you have the same opinion. <snicker>

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Thx!
TabascoSauce

GloryFox · Mar 07, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
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Razah is the new UW spider. Nice to have but not necessary, we need at least one challange in the game. Everything doesnt have to be easy or quick in this game.

You can always gain another pet in some other fashion. A Pet is .... just a pet. A spider does not make your pet any better than it is. Razah on the other hand, is the "ONLY" Ritualist Hero in the game.

Furthermore the cost and time to get a Spider is about 200g and 2 hours at most. Razah is a 15 hour investment at minimum assuming you can find a Group. Finding a group that can complete the mission's can take weeks. Months in my case.

/already signed

MithranArkanere · Mar 07, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

And once you get the group, the missions may take hours!

Yes, you can do them, but you'll need too much time!
You can do the missions to get Olias or Zenmai in less than 20 minutes.

But Razah...? No way...

Melody Cross · Mar 07, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

/Signed. I’ve had people in top 30 guilds tell me no way; he’s too hard to get. After PUGing some of the stones, I sold them. I agree with them. It’d just take too long for another hero that I can get for 6k faction.

I liked Guild Wars because it wasn’t the same mindless end game over powered stuff you see in other MMOs. The PvE in this game didn’t used to beat you over the head with what a challenge it was. It just tried to be fun and rewarding. The challenge back then was seeing how many characters you could beat the game with; how many different types of professions you could master.

Anet seems to have lost that spirit. End-game for Nightfall was the least rewarding and the least satisfying gaming experience I’ve had since the game came out. I stay out of DoA because I don’t want a repeat of that…that…grind. I know some people like that kinda game. I don’t. I play to have fun and to relax. I don’t play to work. Anyone who does...doesn’t work.

If people want an e-challenge, give them a hard mode and give that hard mode nicer loot from chests. Don’t take away a fun character from the rest of us.

Dr.thug1230 · Mar 07, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

/signed i agree, he is way to hard to obtain. Also like nobody will take you in their group unless your that certain profession that they need. Basically i've seen no dervs in groups which is me.

mqstout · Mar 07, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Melody Cross

/Signed. I’ve had people in top 30 guilds tell me no way; he’s too hard to get. After PUGing some of the stones, I sold them. I agree with them. It’d just take too long for another hero that I can get for 6k faction.

I liked Guild Wars because it wasn’t the same mindless end game over powered stuff you see in other MMOs. The PvE in this game didn’t used to beat you over the head with what a challenge it was. It just tried to be fun and rewarding. The challenge back then was seeing how many characters you could beat the game with; how many different types of professions you could master.

Anet seems to have lost that spirit. End-game for Nightfall was the least rewarding and the least satisfying gaming experience I’ve had since the game came out. I stay out of DoA because I don’t want a repeat of that…that…grind. I know some people like that kinda game. I don’t. I play to have fun and to relax. I don’t play to work. Anyone who does...doesn’t work.

If people want an e-challenge, give them a hard mode and give that hard mode nicer loot from chests. Don’t take away a fun character from the rest of us.

This post makes you my hero.

cyberjanet · Mar 08, 2007, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

. Razah is a 15 hour investment at minimum assuming you can find a Group. Finding a group that can complete the mission's can take weeks. Months in my case.

/already signed

And try finding a group if you're a ritualist, assassin, ranger, dervish or paragon. They don't figure in the received team builds for DoA/

/already signed

BrotherGilburt · Mar 08, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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I want razah but a hero is not worth 100k of gems to me...

BrotherGilburt

darkdawn · Mar 08, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

But they're is something i dont get, Razah is a ritualist wich is a faction only profession. It dosent make sence that someone who only own NF could get a rit. Here's the best thing to do:
-Add a rit hero to faction
-Add a second mesmer hero to proph.
-Make razah's profession variable like it says in the game manual.

Deadly SiNs · Mar 08, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

DoA is a very hard area, intented for the best players and to get the gems you've either got to pay a small fortune, or try and farm them. Either way, not really good ways to get Razah.
I think that they should at least get rid of the gem requirement, then the gems can be used on something else, maybe selling, coffer of whispers etc
Still keep him in DoA, that makes it a challenge so people don't get him TOO easily, but everyone would be happier that it was a little less insane to get this hero

Tarun · Mar 08, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Games are about challenges, and it isn't that hard to get him.

Ferret · Mar 08, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Games are about challenges, and it isn't that hard to get him.

I think it's more about the TIME to get him. If the DoA missions could be done one at a time and remain marked off once you completed each area, then it would be okay. It's the fact that you HAVE to do them all in one go and if you are not part of some super group (or pro-DoA party) its going to (a) take you ages to get a party (especially for some classes) and (b) take you hours to complete.

A lot of people, especially those of us in full time employment and/or married, just cant commit five straight hours to the game (which seems to be how long it can take for a less experienced group). Quite often we only have a few hours in one go that we can commit to the game and that is the main problem.

All it would need is a slight adjustment to either the seperate parts of the DoA main quest remaining as completed after you done each or for the gem requirement to get Razah to be replaced by something else that can be more easily obtained (like 250 margonite masks as i used in my earlier example), everything else can remain as it is.

Tarun · Mar 08, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Obviously time spent is well rewarded. I work full time and go to college full time, you don't hear me complaining about having a "real life" do you? No, because this is a game, games are meant to have challenges and difficulties. I grew up with games where some of the best things were practically insane to acquire, but once you did it was very rewarding to say you got it. Which is why I have always pulled for higher levels, health, mana, damage, etc. in GW and better features. If people don't want challenges in games, maybe they should go play something like Barbie's Pony Adventures or something with similar ease. Maybe even play a console game.

VinnyRidira · Mar 08, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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The problem with these elite super long missions for professionals is :-

A: They are elitist

If you dont have the right character type we wont even consider you. If you have the right type of character but you do not want to play the type of build we require, no way.

B: They are super long

I have played this game for too many hours maybe, but I do not wish to play a 5 hour long grind mission in order to get a hero.

IMHO: This is the worst part of this game. Do not get me wrong I love to play this game, but this is possibly worse than having spammers making your life miserable in the big towns.

Dj Tano · Mar 08, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

i think it is not necessary to have rezah as a really difficult to get hero, because he is nothing more special then other heroes...

so please be a little more logical when you implement shit like this aNet!

/signed

mqstout · Mar 08, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Games are about challenges, and it isn't that hard to get him.

Actually, games are about having fun and enjoying oneself. (And not about having another job-caliber commitment in one's life.)

Windblade Ionic Z · Mar 08, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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It's insane how it is now to get Razah.